discretionary spending, we need to do this at the same time and invest in infrastructure and math and science education, we need to do this together. that argument is not being made by politicians today. >> they're doing us all a disservice. >> yes. >> wish people would talk like you do. >> we back them up, we elect them, we elected in 2010 we sent a bunch of guys there for a reason and that's why we had the first debt ceiling issue. they weren't going to raise it another, they want spending increases stopped immediately but they were sent there for, what spawned the rise of that movement, what happened in the first two years of the owe bea ma presidency? >> well i understand the movement, there's no question there's a lot of sentiment out there for stop the world, i want to get off. >> i think these guys are arguing two plus two equals grain, they're not even coming up with a number. this does not compute. they're not speaking the same language. >> i understand the sentiment of the tea party. lot of folks are sincere and they're fed up but it's like the dog that caught the car. at some point